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The Leadership Show featuring His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami

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His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami, a devout monk for 40 years, is Coach of Leaders in Corporations and Governments, Incoming Chairman of ISKCON, (100 Countries, 650 plus schools, temples and wellness centres, feeding 1.2 Million free meals to children per day).

Rohilesh Singh (CEO of Populis, Host of The Leadership Show and Creator of the Happiness Platform) welcomes His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami to another episode of The Leadership Show.

Watch this episode as Rohilesh and His Holiness share many common philosophies in life and spirituality. Share in this thought provoking conversation filled with laughter as the two drive through the beautiful city of Sydney Australia and discuss

  • Why most people have become adverse to religion
  • The power of surrender & detachment, selfless leadership
  • Enjoying the fruits of our work

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Transcript (BCS = His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami, RRS = Rohilesh Singh)


BCS: Today, why most the people have become adverse to religion.

Because religion, instead of becoming a way of approaching god

and understanding god. Religion has actually become a blind faith.

A mere ritual.

RRS: Ah, yes yes yes yes. So when people go to church, or they go to temple, they just, are you saying, the people delivering the sermons or pujas are just expecting people to just give blind faith, rather than understand what they are doing.

This is the problem I had as an individual. I had this problem. Until I understood, actually understood what the rituals meant.

BCS: Exactly, the other day you were telling us.

RRS: Yes please, can you elaborate on this.

BCS: But the thing is you know. Religion is a science. Religion is not faith. Actually, religion is a science that speaks about your identity being spiritual to begin with.

Religion gives the information about another reality beyond this material nature. Religion gives you the understanding about god and shows you the way to approach him. If god is real, then understanding of god must be real. And that is science.

You know science is a knowledge about a subject in a systematic way that can be experimentally verified.

Right, people often ask, you know, like, can you show me god? “How can I believe in Him if I cannot see Him?” But the thing is, it’s something like, a blind man saying “Can you show me the sun?” Like, my answer to that is “First, you must cure your blindness”. “Develop your eyesight, then you will see”

RRS: So from a spiritual or religious perspective, how does one do that? In terms of fixing their eyesight.

BCS: In terms of fixing their eyesight? Ya, you know, First thing is, you know, you can’t see, with your eyes or perceive with your senses, But you can conceive of it with your intelligence.

RRS: Do you feel like you have found the right path? You personally? Do you feel like you are connected?

BCS: Yes.

RRS: To God?

BCS: Ya, sure.

RRS: What does that feel like, I don’t know, is it easy to describe?

BCS: Ya, you know the day I decided to follow this path. With after reading the books, after reading one book actually. Just one book. That I received the day before I started to read it. I couldn’t stop reading it. It was so fascinating.

The next day, you know, I became fully convinced about God.

And He’s a person, He is not only the supreme creator, He is the maintainer. He is taking care of us in all respects.

And then I decided to surrender myself to Him.

The first feeling that came to me was “From now on, I won’t have to look after myself anymore”.

RRS: You were taken care of.

BCS: Like I am surrendering myself to Him, let Him take care of me.

RRS: Yes.

BCS: So that was the first consideration, the first experience that you know, I became free from my anxiety.

RRS: Ah, yes, that is a big problem today.

A lot of people take medication for that.

BCS: Right. And then I joined the temple.

RRS: But for someone like me, there’s children, there are mothers, there are sisters.

You know there are responsibilities. OK?

And what is your position on, while we are here, still being in touch with our spiritual aspect, and still knowing ourselves, you know, and surrendering ourselves to God.

And, getting rid of our anxieties, etc. But at the same time, performing our duties, and doing a good job of it. OK?

Again, not being attached, it took me a long time and I am still learning,

But not being attached to the results of that, OK?

But enjoying the abundance of what is available?

What is your position?

BCS: Why not? Like if he is the father and he is providing you, you know, all kinds of facilities, why should you deny that?

Either accept it as a gift from your father, and be grateful to your father that He has given you so much.

RRS: Guilt free.

BCS: Guilt free. And if you are a rich man’s son, can there be any limit as to what he can provide?

Now consider that you are the son of the richest personality. The King of Kings.

The creator of the entire creation and who is maintaining, the proprietor of everything.

RRS: So materialism, so long as you understand it, in terms of having the good things in life, As long as you understand it and have the right way to look at it, then you have every right to enjoy it.

BCS: Sure. Guilt comes when you are not grateful.

And guilt comes when you realise that you are depriving others, you are stealing from other’s property to enjoy it.

RRS: Ah, that’s when guilt comes.

Yes Yes.

BCS: But you know if you recognise that your father gave you so much, and you

love to share it with your brothers and sisters.

Then instead of guilt feeling, there will be tremendous joy.

RRS: What makes a really good leader? What do you think makes somebody stand out above the rest? Not only what makes someone a good leader, but someone who is most at ease with who they are.

BCS: Right well, a good leader must have, must be truthful and honest. He should be concerned about others’ welfare.

And he must take care of those who are following him.

And a good leader also should have 3 qualities.

He should have the vision, because in order to lead, you need to know where you are leading. What is the goal?

He should be able to motivate his followers.

Also, to be involved in achieving that goal.

And he must facilitate them in achieving that goal.

Say, why I am so emphatic about this facilitating you know, because otherwise the tendency is “That I am a leader, let them take care of me”and that is what happens to me, everywhere I go. Like they are taking care of me all the time.

RRS: What does that feel like?

BCS: Well, grateful.

RRS: Yes, yes.

BCS: But in reality, what I need to do, is that I have the whole goal, now I must facilitate and inspire them to achieve that goal. And while doing that I need to facilitate them. Like you know, say in the temples, most of the temples they need from me, they need man and money.

RRS: Yes.

BCS: If I do not provide that to them, rather if I tell them, you provide me with the money. You provide me the men. You know, those who are working there, they won’t have any confidence in me. So you make sure that you have the right people to them, and make sure that they have the right resources.

RRS: So they have the resources, yes. I like that.

But essentially a leader in any organisation that is trying to get any particular vision

Those are the essential factors, one that everyone understands what the vision is.

Do you know that I found in our work, that’s where the biggest disconnect is.

So what happens is the resources, the money and the people, end up going on the wrong thing.

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Happiness Platform with His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami on The Leadership Show

Bhakti Charu Swami 2A conversation between His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami and Rohilesh Singh, Creator of the Happiness Platform.Have you sat back and thought about just how mentally healthy or unhealthy your workplace is and your life in general? Have you thought about what actually fulfils you or why despite all your accomplishments, you are still chasing some dream? What is that dream?

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami, a monk for 40 years, is the incoming Chairman of GBC for ISKCON with over 600 temples, and has dedicated his whole adult life to selflessly serving his soul and that of others, shares with us ancient Vedic knowledge on what is important and how to attain sustained happiness.

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The Leadership Show – Happiness with His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami

Roh Singh:

This episode is a personal one, a journey which, initially started out as an interest and has since developed into part of my daily life, both personally and professionally.

The stresses in our lives are endless; Is there a way to control them and reduce their effect on our health and wellbeing?

I believe that all organisations should be moving away from not only looking after their employees safety and financial security but also towards their mental health.

Over the last 25 years I have studied and pondered many Hindu philosophies, which I believe contain answers to many of life’s questions.

Recently, I was given the honour of spending some time with His Holiness, Bhakti Charu Swami. Bhakti Charu is a spiritual master having dedicated over 40 years of his life to selfless duties within the ISKON organisation.

During our time together, we explore Hindu beliefs and understandings, how their applications can greatly help reduce one’s stresses, anxieties in our modern world.

Let’s explore these truths together, and discover some answers to happiness.

Bhakti Charu Swami
Everybody needs to work. Now the first consideration is, that one should be engaged in activities that he naturally likes to do. Like, one naturally has certain propensities, like say somebody likes to write poetry, somebody likes to make money, somebody likes to fight.

Now unfortunately what is happening in today’s world, the whole focus is unto money and making money, irrespective of whether you like it or not.

When I was young, everybody was going for engineering. Then a trend came, no engineering is not good enough, medical profession is more pay. So everybody wanted to become doctors. Then wanted to pursue the Information Technology.

Roh Singh:

Bhakti Charu Swami:
See why? Because the consideration is, which occupation will bring me maximum amount of money. And one’s own consideration has been totally disregarded.

Say a person who likes to write poetry, you know, he’s ended up becoming a factory worker. He’s not getting a scope for that (becoming a poet). He is being driven to do things like, what ultimately will bring him the maximum amount of money.

And as a result of that, you know in today’s world practically everyone is dissatisfied. Even those who are working, everyone is thinking when will it be Friday. And I will get the weekend.

Roh Singh:
That’s true, that’s true.

Bhakti Charu Swami
They are simply trying to run away from what they are doing. So why do people,

Roh Singh:
Why do they continue, why do they?

Bhakti Charu Swami
Because of social structure has been designed in such a way. If you can’t earn money, then you won’t be able to pay your bills.

So, you know, everyone is forced to. Recently I was in Singapore, and you know it’s a beautiful structure, everything is so beautifully done, but I was told, in Singapore, practically everyone has to work from 10 to 12 hours just to maintain. In one hand they have made such a nice comfortable arrangement. But in order to fit into that arrangement, to stay in that arrangement you have to completely dedicate all of your time and effort.

Roh Singh
I see most of us live to pay bills, collect wealth, and accumulate possessions.

The results of which don’t deliver meaningful satisfaction. And causes stress and anxiety.

I spoke with His Holiness about issues around work, wealth, doing what you like to do In order to live a fulfilled life without stress and anxiety.

There are certain times in our lives when we feel absolutely, when we do things we feel brilliant about ourselves. Ok, and we like to talk about those traits that we display. Be the transcendental traits that we carry.

What are the traits that one should aspire to? Or one should make their own and which are the ones that we should be aware of, We will talk about that, in a moment and how to overcome that.Bhakti Charu Swami

Bhakti Charu Swami
To achieve that, you know I will say that first we need to get rid of Six negative influences. Ok. Those negative influences are, Lust, Greed, Anger, Illusion, Pride and Envy.

So these are the enemies that are kind of attacking our hearts. Like, say for example, when you get angry, I mean how do you feel afterwards?

Roh Singh:
Exhausted actually.

Bhakti Charu Swami
Yeah, feeling miserable. You know, when we are envious of others, Our heart becomes, our heart shrinks. So we have to overcome these and cultivate the positive qualities. The qualities that broadens our hearts.

Generosity. Service to others. You know through Lust, we try to exploit others. Through Love, we try to serve others.

So we have to conquer Lust with Love. We have to conquer Greed with Compassion. Generosity. We have to conquer Anger by Affection for others. And you know feeling for others. And in this way, we can, you know, ultimate consideration is, actually Love.

Roh Singh:
You talked about False Ego. Can we talk a little bit more about that please, is that OK?

Bhakti Charu Swami:
The False Ego, you see, False means wrong. And Ego means the identity, my mistaken identity. I am a spirit soul. But I am thinking that this body is me.

And that perception or that attitude is you know, the False Ego.

The soul is eternal, full of knowledge, full of joy. But what we are doing is we are trying to get this spiritual needs, or spiritual requirements fulfilled through this material body. Which never happens.

Roh Singh:
So would you say it’s fair to say we are chasing the wrong knowledge?

Bhakti Charu Swami:
Oh, well I would say, we are chasing a mirage.

Bhakti Charu Swami:
In order to quench our thirst, OK. And that’s what is happening with us in this material nature. No matter whatever you are aspiring for, our heart is never content. Our heart never becomes satisfied. But you know, at that point say a traveler in the middle of the desert, lost his way and is running after a mirage, then somebody comes and tells him, look “This is a mirage, running after this is never going to be able to quench your thirst.” “But, there is an oasis, come with me. I will take you there.”

And that is what is needed in this world. Everybody needs a guide, who can actually show him the way, to the real source of joy, the real source of happiness.

Through our lives, most of us think we know how to act when it comes to doing the right thing.

Roh Singh:
But what is the right thing to do.And how do we overcome our own ego and self interest to do it?

I talk with His Holiness on what he thinks doing the right thing by acting selflessly means.

Bhakti Charu Swami:
I was brought up in an environment in India, when we used to think that “West is the Best”. And then I went to the West. And there I began to see that this is also the same place.

So I started to read. I began to recognize the glory of India when I went out of India. And then that brought me to a point you know when I began to realise, that the goal of life is not to just pursue some materialistic objectives. And I went back to India in search of a spiritual master, in search of a guru because I knew to train in this path I need a guide, I need a spiritual master.

And initially, I tell you it was quite disappointing. Because you know it was kind of a feeling, that they themselves don’t know what they are pursuing. So how can they guide me if they themselves do not know. But then I came across a book by Sri Prabhupada called “The Nectar of Devotion”. And when I started to read it, you know practically from the very first page, everything became clear.

Roh Singh:
It made sense to you.

Bhakti Charu Swami:
Like, you know I was aspiring for liberation those days, the goal of life was to become liberated.

Roh Singh:
Liberation, what does it actually mean to you?

Bhakti Charu Swami:
Liberation means, I mean at that time, awareness was to be free from the suffering condition.

Roh Singh:
Too many people feel that their identity and happiness is tied to their job, to their wealth, and to their material possessions. His Holiness emphasizes the need to search for the right guides, someone with experience to achieve inner contentment. And how critical it is to find the right guide.

Even His Holiness started out on a similar path. Feeling the influence of the West as the way it must be, but he soon learned something that challenged that. In the rediscovery in the richness of India.

Bhakti Charu Swami:
When, as I said, when I started to read the book. You know the first thing that came to me was I was aspiring for liberation. Another way you can describe that, you know, liberation, say consider, the question of liberation comes when there is a question of imprisonment.

A person who is free, he doesn’t have to worry about liberation or freedom. A person who is bound, a person who is imprisoned, he only needs this consideration of you know, becoming free.

Now somebody is in a prison. He can get out of the prison in 2 ways. He can dig a tunnel and escape from the prison. Although he will be out of the prison, but he won’t actually be free. The police will be after him, he will have to hide all the time. And his life will be even more miserable than before being in the prison. Like at least in the prison he was getting food and a place to sleep. Now he’s on the run.

Now the other way to get out of the prison is, you appeal to the King, “I’m sorry I made a mistake. I promise I will never commit that crime again.” And then the King sends the message “OK, he has rectified so release him.”

So that is the positive recollection to surrendering. So here comes again, the question of surrender, accepting the authority of the King. Now, accepting the authority of the King of Kings, the supreme personality of God Head.

Roh Singh:
Yes, yes.

Bhakti Charu Swami:
And, you know, like, surrender. I surrender unto you, all I want is to please you. And you decide what you want to do with me.

Roh Singh:
Ok, so having a good deal of trust?

Bhakti Charu Swami:
Yes, exactly.

Roh Singh:
Surrender and liberation may be similar things, for me it was simply about being willing to accept, that not everything was in my control, and learning to let go.

It has helped me achieve contentment and enabled me to focus on meaningful work.

His Holiness shares some insights into his 40 year journey into liberation through service to others.

Can we talk a little bit more in terms of surrendering, what does it actually take, or what did it take for you, I mean I for instance, in the mornings when I meditate, I go through a particular series of Pranayamas and Asanas and then I get to a stage where I do my surrendering, or my puja and then you know, I actually have a certain phrase that I say, you know where I surrender. How do you go about it, or how do you find that process?

Bhakti Charu Swami:
When you are, when you are a little boy. Did you have any anxieties?

Roh Singh:
None. none.

Bhakti Charu Swami:

Roh Singh:
I think I had faith, I was in touch, I just saw everything as being beautiful. That also had a bit of a part, but yes. I knew I had been looked after.

Bhakti Charu Swami:
This awareness that someone is there. Who is taking care of you, who knows what is best for you, who is providing you with that. When we are children we can depend upon our parents. But when we grow up, we can’t depend upon them. Then we have to fend for ourselves. Not only do we have to fend for ourselves, we also have to fend for those around us. And that causes so much anxieties. So much distress.

Roh Singh:
Unnecessary worries. Yes.

Bhakti Charu Swami:
But if we could recognise that there is somebody who is taking care of me, who knows what’s best for me, so let’s depend upon Him.

Roh Singh:
It was an enriching few days for me, to be able to spend the time with someone who is living the life I have revered for so long, and learning from each other’s experiences and studies in happiness.

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Australia Preaching Tour Of Bhakti Charu Swami

b297de62719e1ea88b82e79eb6ce9d70His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami Maharaja reached Melbourne, Australia on the 18th January 2016 after successful preaching in Malaysia and Singapore. His Holiness received a warm welcome by the local devotees and travelled for about 2.5 hours to the Sen Prabhu’s house in Seaton. Once, when Srila Prabhupada went to Africa, on seeing very few Africans in the audience, he asked the preachers, “Where are the Africans? Have I come to Africa to meet the Indians?” Thus Maharaja makes it a point to focus on preaching to the local people of a particular country. So, in evening there was a special program held for a small gathering of the local Australians at Sen Prabhu’s house. Sen prabhu is a local devotee.


On 19th January 2016, Maharaja returned to Melbourne. Maharaja gave a most wonderful evening program at the Melbourne temple and lectured on Srimad Bhagavad Gita AS IT IS and lead an ecstatic Kirtan at the end. Maharaja also had a special meeting with the temple Brahmacharis (celibate residential monks). You can watch video of the class here


The next day, Maharaja flew to Brisbane where he stayed at HG Janakaraja Prabhu’s house. That evening Maharaja gave program at ISKCON Brisbane temple.


On the 21st January 2016, Maharaja visited a disciple of HH Tamala Krishna Maharaja and then drove to new Govardhan farm where Maharaja had special meeting with HH Mukunda Maharaja. HH Mukunda Maharaja is one of the first disciples of Srila Prabhupada and he had recently experienced a severe health crisis. After meeting Maharaja, there was another amazing program held at the Govardhan dham temple.


After giving morning Srimad Bhagavatam class at the temple on the 22nd January 2016, Maharaja flew to Blueys beach, the location for the 2016Australian retreat. More than 60 devotees from Australia participated in this three days retreat with Maharaja. The topic for the retreat was “Krishna’s pastimes in Mathura and Dwarka.” In the evening Maharaja gave the introduction class.


Then from the 23rd to the 26th January 2016, Maharaja took all the participants through various pastimes of Krishna in Mathura and Dwarka. Maharaja spoke so profoundly on those pastimes that every devotee was so absorbed in the pastimes not only were they listening but felts as if they were experiencing it as well. There were three sessions daily and in the evening there was beach walks. The last two days of the retreat also had special classes on Bhagavad Gita AS IT IS.


Maharaja also had a special interview session with Roh Singh. Roh is the Founder and Chief Executive Officer for Populis, Australia. Roh has led start-ups and major organisations in Australia. Prior to starting Populis, Roh was based out of BlackBerry’s Asia Headquarters in Singapore. Maharaja had an amazing discussion with him where he asked many questions on soul, the science behind actions and reactions (karma) and Maharaja answered these questions most extraordinarily yet it was easily understandable.


On the 27th January 2016, Maharaja came to Sydney. There Maharaja stayed at HG Satya Maharani Mataji’s house. Mataji is a very enthusiastic preacher in Australia and she organizes many innovative ways to preach Krishna Consciousness to the local people in Australia. The next day Maharaja had a very special and intimate program with the disciples of HH Tamala Krishna Goswami Maharaja. HH Tamala Krishna Maharaja left this world on the 26th January some years ago and he told Maharaja to take care of his disciples. More than 100 devotees attended this program with Maharaja.


The following day, HG Satya Maharani Mataji arranged a program at her house for the local Australian audience, new to the Krishna Consciousness movement. Maharaja spoke these 15 people on the real philosophy behind the “Creation of the Universe.”
In evening, there was another preaching program for the local people at the city’s Govinda’s restaurant.


On 30th January 2016, Roh Singh invited Maharaja for a session at his house on the topic: 12 tools for happiness. Around 20 very influential business leaders discussed their views on this topic and later that evening, Maharaja gave another program at the Sydney temple.
The next day was the last day of Maharaja’s preaching visit to Australia. There was an initiation ceremony where 9 devotees received first initiation and 2 devotees received second initiation. In evening Maharaja left Australia for India via Dubai, continuing his eternal loving service to Srila Prabhupada.