Gita Nagari – US Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam Lecture December 2013

Gita Nagari – US Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam Lecture December 2013

INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS

Founder-Ācārya: His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami :

oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya
oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya
oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya

SB 1.3.40

This chapter is entitled as Kṛṣṇa Is the Source of All Incarnations

idaṁ bhāgavataṁ nāma
purāṇaṁ brahma-sammitam
uttama-śloka-caritaṁ
cakāra bhagavānṛṣiḥ
niḥśreyasāyalokasya
dhanyaṁ svasty-ayanaṁmahat

 Translation by His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

 This Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the literary incarnation of God, and it is compiled by ŚrīlaVyāsadeva, the incarnation of God. It is meant for the ultimate good of all people, and it is all-successful, all-blissful and all-perfect.

Please repeat after me.

Purport by Śrīla Prabhupāda

Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu declared that Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the spotless sound representation of all Vedic knowledge and history. There are selected histories of great devotees who are in direct contact with the Personality of Godhead. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the literary incarnation of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa and is therefore nondifferent from Him. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam should be worshiped as respectfully as we worship the Lord. Thereby we can derive the ultimate blessings of the Lord through its careful and patient study. As God is all light, all bliss and all perfection, so also is Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. We can have all the transcendental light of the Supreme Brahman,ŚrīKṛṣṇa, from the recitation of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, provided it is received through the medium of the transparent spiritual master. Lord Caitanya’s private secretary Śrīla Svarūpa Dāmodara Gosvāmī advised all intending visitors who came to see the Lord at Purī to make a study of the Bhāgavatam from the person Bhāgavatam. Person Bhāgavatam is the self-realized bona fide spiritual master, and through him only can one understand the lessons of Bhāgavatam in order to receive the desired result. One can derive from the study of the Bhāgavatam all benefits that are possible to be derived from the personal presence of the Lord. It carries with it all the transcendental blessings of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa that we can expect from His personal contact.

So the actual identity of Srimad-Bhāgavatam is being revealed here. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is non-different from the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The unique aspect of the transcendental reality (or) spiritual nature, is that it is absolute and absolute means every aspect of the spiritual reality is also absolute. In that respect we can consider the mathematical consideration of infinity. Actually infinity is giving us the concept of spiritual reality. Although modern science or modern mathematics does not understand it. Because they have…although the concept is there it has been revealed to them. I am sure anybody who has done mathematics, that concept of infinity…what is infinity? Infinity is always infinity. Infinity plus 25, infinity minus 25 million, infinity multiplied by 27 billion. So this is infinity also. Now what does it actually mean? That is actually the ultimate mathematical consideration but mathematics can not understand it. You ask any mathematician what is infinity. He will just say infinity is infinity. But what is infinity? The infinity is the spiritual world. Now let us derive a parallel.

om purnam adah purnam idam
purnat purnam udacyate
purnasya purnam adaya
purnam eva vasisyate

Definition of infinity is here…om purnam adah – is perfect and complete. Lets say complete – it’s absolute. Om purnam and whatever comes from absolute is absolute. Whatever comes from infinity is infinity. Purnasya purnam adhya: even if we take away purna from the purna. Even if we take away absolute from the absolute it will remain absolute. So the real definition of infinity is [Unclear]

… And in our spiritual lives. Everything in relation to Kṛṣṇa is absolute. Kṛṣṇa’s form is absolute. Kṛṣṇa’s abode is absolute. Kṛṣṇa’s qualities are absolute. Kṛṣṇa’s name is absolute, non-different from Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa’s qualities are non-different from Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa’s Name is non-different from Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa ’s abode is non-different from Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa’s Deity is non-different from Kṛṣṇa. So that is what we have to understand. So Bhāgavatam is describing Kṛṣṇa’s qualities. Kṛṣṇa’s activities, that is why it’s Bhāgavatam. Bhāgavatam, the word Bhāgavatam means in relation to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Bhagavan is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and Bhāgavatam is in relation to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Those who are related to Him, the devotees are also. The book that is describing about Him is Bhāgavatam. Therefore, they are non-different.

And what is Srimad-Bhāgavatam presenting? Bhāgavatam is giving us a very systematic understanding of the spiritual reality. Bhāgavatam is the ultimate knowledge. Spiritual knowledge is the Vedas. The transcendental knowledge was imparted by Kṛṣṇa  to Brahma, and when Brahma presented that knowledge. The ultimate culmination of Vedas – Vedas have two branches, one branch of the Vedas is giving us the direction (on) how to deal with the material nature, the material aspect. Karma-kāṇḍa, jñana-kāṇḍa these are the material aspects. But the spiritual aspect of the Vedas is Srimad-Bhāgavatam.

The Vedas in this way have (been) given, there are two parts – two disciplic successions. One disciplic succession (includes) all the sages, all the exalted personalities – they are actually dealing with the knowledge pertaining to the material nature – How to enjoy this material nature? Vedas have given the description. But then there is another aspect, how to get out of the material nature – liberation. bhukti, mukti. Karma-Kāṇḍa section of Vedas is giving information about bhukti, how to enjoy and jñana-kāṇḍa section of Vedas is giving information about mukti – how to become liberated from the material nature. Now enjoyment in the material nature and liberation from the material nature are the two sides of the same coin both are pertaining to the material nature. Enjoy the material nature, get out of the material nature – in the middle is the material nature. So both these aspects of the Vedic wisdom are pertaining to material nature – Materialistic. But Srimad-Bhāgavatam is beyond the material nature, beyond liberation. Even liberation is rejected. [Unclear] if liberation is offered to the devotee, devotee will reject it. What (do) they want? Simply serve the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And Srimad-Bhāgavatam is giving the pure understanding of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyo– in the Vedas Kṛṣṇa alone is to be known. Vedas, the real purpose of Vedas is to reveal the identity of Kṛṣṇa. In the Karma-Kāṇḍa and Jñana-Kāṇḍa are the two steps towards that… We are in the material nature. Initially everybody wants to enjoy the material nature, that is the natural tendency. The natural propensity of living entity is to enjoy. The living entities are here in the material nature therefore naturally they want to enjoy. So Vedas are very systematically and scientifically leading the individual gradually to the ultimate perfection. Okay, you want to enjoy, go ahead and enjoy. They are not prematurely telling you renounce. Premature renunciation, what happens? The desires are there in the heart, but artificially one is renouncing so eventually he will come back to the platform or come back which is generally considered fall-down. It’s not fall-down, it’s actually a premature renunciation. The personality was not really prepared for renunciation but untimely, prematurely took that state. So the tendency will be to come back to the platform of enjoyment.

So Vedas, Kṛṣṇa says there is no need for artificially trying to suppress, okay enjoy, go ahead. Like a child wants to play with toys. The father may think why waste his time playing with toys, but he is a child he has a naturally tendency/propensity to play with toys so the father gives him toys. And he plays with his toys. For how long does he want to play with his toys – 6 years, 7 years, 8 years, then he grows up. And so this is how a living entity also naturally wants to enjoy the material nature. So Vedas are given for that – ok go ahead, but what is the ultimate culmination of that. Getting sick and tired of enjoyment. There is no enjoyment. When there is no enjoyment how can you enjoy? Like if there is no water in the mirage, for how long can you run after the mirage? Eventually you will find out that it is a waste of time. I am running after something that doesn’t really have it. I am running after a mirage thinking that there is water but there is no water. Similarly a living entity also recognizes the fact that there is no enjoyment in the material nature, after running considerably and getting tired of it. So material enjoyment is something like that. Try to enjoy, Try to enjoy, Try to enjoy, at the end of the day there is no enjoyment. So then the consideration is: “Oh there is no enjoyment here so what should I do? Let’s get out. There is no enjoyment there is only suffering, I don’t want to suffer so let me get out of here.” So that’s the state of mukti – liberation and that is covered by the jñana-kāṇḍa Section.

First is karma-Kāṇḍa, different prescriptions for enjoyment then jñana-kāṇḍa, prescriptions to get out of this material world. But then again getting out of this material nature – what will happen, where will you go? The question naturally will be – where should I go? So eventually proper direction of jñana brings one to the platform of the spiritual world. The real is to go to the spiritual world not just get out, but go where? That is the intelligent consideration. This point can be analyzed in this way. A person in a prison – he may think that somehow or other getting out of the prison is the goal of life. And he goes out of the prison. His goal is to get out of the prison. So what he does, (he) digs a tunnel under and he goes out of the prison, but then what? He went out of the prison but now the police are after him. He has to hide. At least when he was in the prison he had some food to eat and a place to sleep. Now he doesn’t even have any food to eat. He’s hiding and doing, hiding in the forest, undergoing so many difficulties. Because he thought just getting out of the prison will solve his problem. But he did not consider where to go after I get out.

Therefore liberation alone is not the solution. The main consideration is to go where, after you get out of here. And that information one gets when one comes across a bona fide spiritual master. Just the knowledge about the material suffering is not enough. The information about the spiritual reality is the ultimate consideration. And this information… like again we can draw the same example. A traveller who lost his way in the dessert is running after mirage. He doesn’t know where to go, he doesn’t know where to search for water and there is some impression of some possibility of water in the mirage so he is running after it. But then comes a person and he tells: “Look this is a mirage, and not only does he say that this is a mirage, there is no water, its actually illusion created by hot sand. But the real water is here.”

So he not only reminds him that this is a mirage and illusionary concept of water but the real water is there in the oasis and takes him to the oasis. So coming across a person like that is essential for a traveller who is running after a mirage in the middle of a dessert. So similarly in this dangerous ocean of material nature, the desert of material nature we are running after a mirage, thinking that there will be enjoyment. We are thirsty not of water but we thirst for enjoyment. Everybody wants to enjoy, but he’s running after a mirage – illusory allurements of enjoyment.

But then comes a person who tells that look this is a mirage and he gives the information about the spiritual reality and who is that person that person has to be a devotee of the Lord. Only a devotee of the Lord knows this, only a devotee of the Lord has the information. Therefore he can give that information. And then he directs him. The real water is not there, real water is here. And not only that then he pulls out a water bottle and gives him some water to drink. Then he becomes convinced. He really has water. He really knows where water is and that’s what happens when you come across a devotee of the Lord. Who is a devotee of the Lord? A devotee of the Lord is a person who has been instructed by a devotee of the Lord and that is what constitutes the disciplic succession. It is not that to become a Guru we have to be a Superman, Prabhupāda pointed out, a Guru is like a peon. He’s carrying; the peon is carrying the letter, a postman. Prabhupāda uses the word peon. That’s the expression used in India for postman. The postman, he is carrying the letter. He’s carrying the information, that has been imparted by Kṛṣṇa  and that is what will happen. Generations after generations of postmen are carrying the information and it’s not that there are just carrying the information, they are dealing with absolute reality and that is why Caitanya Mahāprabhu suggested that everybody has to assume the role of the Guru. Guru means carry the information and give it to people who don’t have it. Guru doesn’t mean big vyasa-asana, big vyasa-puja, big. NO. Guru means the one who gives the simple information of the spiritual reality and removes the darkness of ignorance. Gu-ru,

om ajñāna-timirāndhasya
jñānāñjana-śalākayā
cakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena
tasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ

so if we have the medicine to cure the blind then you can cure everybody’s blind. A devotee carries the medicine that removes the darkness of the…jñyananjana salakaya…Unfortunately sometimes in an institution we create some sort of artificial situation or certain positions but we have to get rid of it for the actual propagation of Kṛṣṇa  Consciousness. No. One doesn’t have to be a superman to be a Guru. One has to simply carry the message and whoever does that, he is a Guru. Like yesterday that Amish boy Jack, he was telling that all the devotees who gave him the information, they are his Guru and that is the right understanding. They gave him, he doesn’t have the knowledge and this devotee gave him the knowledge and he is treating him as guru. Yes, they are Gurus. Whoever gives the knowledge about Kṛṣṇa is Guru- ….And in the purport Prabhupāda made that point very clearly – that Bhāgavatam is there but Bhāgavatam the purport of Bhāgavatam, the purpose of Bhāgavatam has to be revealed, has to be explained by a person Bhāgavat. Now a person Bhāgavat again, does the person Bhāgavat mean a superman? No, a person Bhāgavat who is practicing this teachings of Srimad-Bhāgavatam who has accepted the process of Kṛṣṇa conciousness, he is a Bhāgavat.

So devotee is a person…so this is how Caitanya Mahāprabhu arranged for this movement to spread. Therefore, there is a need to inspire everybody go out and preach, go out and become Guru.But if we start of a thing – nobody can become my Guru, unless you are a superman you cannot become a guru we are actually obstructing the progress this movement. Rather our attitude should be: go and give, become a guru, amara ajñyaya guru [Unclear] Mahāprabhu Himself is saying, who are we to contradict that? Doesn’t matter, whether you get the worship whether you get guru dakia don’t worry about it. Just go out and assume the role and act accordingly and then only this movement is going to spread and yes devotees are doing that, devotees are preaching. Every devotee must take up this responsibility. jare dekho tare kaho kṛṣṇa  upadesh – don’t feel shy to speak about Kṛṣṇa, rather be bold about speaking about Kṛṣṇa . Like if you are a rich man and a poor man comes to you and if you give him some money do you feel shy? You may be humble and take a humble role, you may not want to identify yourself but for a rich man to give something to a poor man there is no need to feel embarrassed. Especially when you know the poor man needs the money. So in the spiritual context the devotees are the rich people, they are the millionaires and the rest of the world is poverty stricken beggars. They don’t even have anything to maintain themselves. That is why the devotees should take a bold step. They should assume (this) very, very important role, which is essential for the benefit of this world. And what does a devotee tell them? Look, you are suffering here, but there is a place that is full of joy and all you have to do is simply change your attitude. Instead of becoming self-centered, which is the natural characteristic of materialistic existence – self-centered. Instead of becoming self-centered become Kṛṣṇa Conscious, that’s about the only thing that one has to do – one has to assume. We are leading our life with ourselves in the center – will this benefit me? Will this be pleasing to me? Will this inflate my false ego? Will this be providing comforts for my existence – so we are always thinking in terms of me and mine. That is materialistic way of life. So instead of this self-centered life, we simply have to lead a life that is centered around Kṛṣṇa and it is natural, it is natural because the original consciousness is coming from Kṛṣṇa. When we lead a self-centered life, our consciousness becomes perverted but when we project our consciousness towards Kṛṣṇa then our consciousness finds its actual purpose. Because it’s coming from Kṛṣṇa so we don’t have to be separately conscious of Kṛṣṇa. We have to simply be tuned into Kṛṣṇa’s consciousness then only our existence will become meaningful and we’ll derive everything that we want out of the existence

Another example can be given in this way that the sun is the source of light. When your back is towards the sun then what do you see? You see your own shadow, which is also casted by the sun, but that is not light, that is darkness caused by yourself. That is what your false ego is doing. Creating the shadow, a false impression of ourselves. And as a result of that we are not seeing ourselves we are simply obsessed with the shadow and when the shadow lifts the hands, I am lifting my hand. When the shadow wants something, I want. And this shadow also has a very specific characteristic. General shadow doesn’t feel hunger and thirst and desire but this shadow has hunger, and thirst and other desires. And he is identifying his desire, shadow’s hunger and shadow’s thirst and shadow’s craving with his hunger and thirst, with his craving.

Now consider when you turn your face. Then what will happen? You will see the sun and in the light of the sun you will see everything. You will see yourself your real self in the light of the sun. You will see those who are around you in their real perspective. So that is what Kṛṣṇa consciousness does, takes us to the reality. Whereas this material existence is leading us to illusion. This body is not our self. The body is only shadow of the self. Body is simply an external covering. Now the consideration is how to change our consciousness. Previously the consideration was step by step, go through karma-kāṇḍa, go through jñāna-kāṇḍa then comes devotion. That also used to happen gradually through gradual elevation. Say for example, jñāna-kāṇḍa section of Vedas ultimately taking to the point of yoga. There are different philosophies dealing with different aspects. karma-mimamsa or purva-mimansa priliminary conclusion is leading to karma-kāṇḍa then nyaya, vaisesika, sankhya and yoga is revealed – jñāna-kāṇḍa . See the yoga, which is the ultimate consideration of jñāna-kāṇḍa. What is yoga doing? What is the ultimate perfection of yoga? Seeing the Supersoul in the heart. That is the perfection of yoga. When you see the Supersoul in the heart then what happens. You naturally surrender yourself, because you have come across somebody who is supreme and you are minute. What happens when somebody comes across someone who is very great? Doesn’t his head bend down in respect and surrender himself? So that’s what happens, when one per say achieves the ultimate perfection of yoga. In Samadhi one sees Lord and then naturally he surrenders and that surrender is the beginning of devotion. So this is how from jñāna-kāṇḍa …Ultimate point of jñāna-kāṇḍa one is coming to devotion.

But in this age due to the emergency situation,
we lost the ability to gradually elevate to that platform. Kṛṣṇa has given a direct method; take devotional service because you all are hopeless, absolutely hopeless.

prāyeṇālpāyuṣaḥsabhya
kalāv asmin yuge janāḥ
mandāḥ sumanda-matayo
manda-bhāgyāhyupadrutāḥ (SB 1.1.10)

…this is our situation. We are lazy, and the more materially we are progressing more and more we are becoming lazy. Like I noticed when we were young we were taught to calculate in our minds and now there are calculators, they can’t even add 3 + 25, where’s my calculator? Calculator – then only so this is how manda – lazy they are becoming. Not only physically lazy. Like how people used to be active before – they used to, its cold right…you need heating. They used to go to the forest cut the log collect it, bring it, light the fire so much endeavor but now? Just press the button. So this is how people are becoming lazy in this age. All these arrangements are making us manda – and then sumanda matayo, the mentality has become crooked. Everyone, either they are dull headed or they are mentality is crooked. Sumanda matayo…manda bhagya – they don’t have any good fortune. They are completely unfortunate. That is our situation …constantly being troubled by the calamities of the material nature.

So this is the situation in this age. Seeing that condition and on the other hand…gorine gori karmani – in one hand we are lazy. We are unintelligent, we are unfortunate and we are constantly troubled but at the same time Vedas (buri ne buri karmani) Vedas are vast, vast Vedas innumerable activities have been prescribed. So what to do? Kṛṣṇa directs, take it – direct, because that’s the sublime aspect of devotion. It’s sahaja – sahaja means sahaja it is there within us, I’ts natural. So something that is natural is not going to be difficult. Therefore devotional service although its rare but it is very easy. The word sahaja has two connotations.  One sahaja means easy but why it’s easy? Because it’s sahaja – its born with you. Ja means birth and saha means with. Born with you, meaning inherent characteristic. Born with you inherently. So an example is given, a human child, very easily starts to walk, right? Now you try to make an elephant walk – it will be very difficult. A fish, so easily swims in water, stays there year after year. But you go in to water even if you know how to swim, stay there for half an hour, how do you feel? For a fish to be in water is sahaja, for human beings to walk is sahaja, for an elephant to carry big loads is sahaja. For a horse to run at a very fast speed is sahaja, but for a human being to run like a horse…it’s not easy. So this is it.

So we are spiritual beings, Kṛṣṇa consciousness is sahaja, is there naturally in us. So it’s only a matter of little cultivation. Little cultivation means little practice – sadhana bhakti. Sincere sadhana bhakti will automatically lead – therefore devotional service although is difficult to achieve but it can be easily executed. Therefore, Kṛṣṇa very, very easily gives – Okay take it. So that is the benefit of being born in Kali Yuga: we get a very, very special prerogative of achieving Kṛṣṇa-prema, Kṛṣṇa-bhakti, very easily due to the mercy of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Otherwise it is kept as a secret, because the information was not available it was difficult to achieve. But now that the information has become available we find it’s so easy. And now we look at Kṛṣṇa cosnsciouness. Do we have to change our situation? No. Like if we consider that we are in a prison we don’t have to dig a tunnel to get out. We simply have to surrender to the Lord. Simply have to appeal to the Lord. My lord, please deliver me from this suffering condition and engage me in your devotional service. Please engage me in your devotional service. And that’s what Hare Kṛṣṇa maha-mantra is.

 Hare Kṛṣṇa  Hare Kṛṣṇa , Kṛṣṇa  Kṛṣṇa  Hare Hare.
Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare.

O my Lord, you may not listen to me, therefore I am approaching through your eternal consort. Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī. Rādhārāṇī, please tell Kṛṣṇa to deliver me from this miserable condition and engage me in His service. So that’s what the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra means. Such a simple process. Thank you all very much.  All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda.  Does anybody have any questions?

Devotee: Guru Mahārāja, like you said that everyone should preach and everyone should become a guru. So sometimes it happens that when you preach. It might be that we are not practicing that and we are preaching so…

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: Yes. Naturally we have to practice what we preach otherwise it will be hypocrisy. Are you chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa?

Devotee: Yes Guru Mahārāja

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: So go and tell them to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Are you following the four regulative principles?

Devotee: Yes Guru Mahārāja

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: Go and tell them to follow the four regulative principles. Are you reading Prabhupāda’s books?

Devotee: Yes Guru Mahārāja.

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: Go and tell them to read Prabhupāda’s  books. As I said, you don’t have to become a super woman. Just whatever you are doing, because you have accepted the process. Now you are in a position.

Devotee:(continued) Just like it is said that you should chant early in the morning. Suppose I am telling somebody you should chant in the morning, its good…

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: Then you can say that actually chanting in the morning will be very, very effective, very beneficial. You can put in that way. That way your conscience will be clear. That chanting in the morning can be very – it will take shorter time, lesser time. You will be able to concentrate better.

Devotee: Guru Mahārāja, I wanted to understand – when you said, devotional service although difficult to achieve, but can very easily executed.

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: If you didn’t have somebody to come and tell you or if the Guru thought that we have to gradually go through the process of karmaṇḍa, jñāna-kāṇḍa then come to bhakti – very difficult. On one hand it’s very difficult it’s rare, but Caitanya Mahāprabhu made it very easy.

Devotee: Mahārāja, Kṛṣṇa comes once in a day of Lord Brahma but what about the other souls in the other Kali Yugas. What happens to them?

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: Kṛṣṇa doesn’t come in other Kali-yuga. The Yuga avatar comes and he advises the yuga-dharma but that yuga-dharma doesn’t take them to Vṛndāvana. Practices that yuga-dharma takes them to Vaikuṇṭha.

Devotee: (continued) SO we are fortunate to be…

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: Yes we are very fortunate to be in a situation where Kṛṣṇa came, revealed his vraja – līlā and Mahāprabhu came and gave us the process to go back to Vṛndāvana,

Devotee: Mahārāja, Does Caitanya Mahāprabhu appear every chaturyuga?

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami:  That was his question. Did you hear?

Devotee: (continued) So does Mahāprabhu come?

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: No, Kṛṣṇa  in the mood of Rādhārāṇī that Caitanya Mahāprabhu doesn’t come.  He is the yugaavartar who comes.

Devotee: Guru Mahārāja, when we talk of people who actually go through karmaṇḍa, jñāna-kāṇḍa through that process. In bhakti we hear that whatever devotional service we do in this life, next lifetime we start from where we stopped, is it the similar in karmaṇḍa, jñāna-kāṇḍa like whatever they progress they continue from that in next life

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: No because it’s not happening on the spiritual level.

Devotee: Then how do they actually progress? Because that verse… bahunam janmanam…

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: (continued):-They are achieving some punya karma. Punya they are getting. Punya can be there with the subtle body. Punya stays with the subtle body. Punya means pious activity. That’s material. As a result of that piety which remains with the subtle body he gets elevated in to heavenly planets. The subtle body remains the same with the [Unclear]. But devotional service to the Lord is spiritual so that stays with the spirit soul. So you see whatever stays, whatever is achieved on the gross bodily platform will remain on the gross bodily platform. Whatever is achieved in the subtle bodily platform will be in the subtle body platform …whatever is achieved in the spiritual identity will remain ….

Question: So yoga siddhi stay on subtle body?

His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami: Yoga-siddhi yes that stays on subtle body…and as a result of that they get piety.

———-

Audio-reference: click here

Transcription : Shyama-Mohini Dasi / Editing : Rāmānanda Rāya Dāsa