Srimad-Bhagavatam, Canto 3, Chapter 25, The Glories Of Devotional Service, Text 16.

Srimad-Bhagavatam, Canto 3, Chapter 25, The Glories Of Devotional Service, Text 16.

THE FOLLOWING LECTURE ON SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM, CANTO 3, CHAPTER 25, THE GLORIES OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE, TEXT 16, WAS GIVEN BY HIS HOLINESS BHAKTI CARU SWAMI IN ISKCON UJJAIN, INDIA ON 9 OCTOBER 2010.


Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya
Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya
Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 3, Chapter 25, Text 16

aham mamabhimanotthaih
kama-lobhadibhir malaih
vitam yada manah suddham
aduhkham asukham samam

aham — I; mama — mine; abhimana — from the misconception; utthaih —
produced; kama — lust; lobha — greed; adibhih — and so on; malaih — from
the impurities; vitam — freed; yada — when; manah — the mind; suddham —
pure; aduhkham — without distress; asukham — without happiness; samam —
equipoised.

Translation By His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada:

When one is completely cleansed of the impurities of lust and greed produced
from the false identification of the body as “I” and bodily possessions as
“mine,” one’s mind becomes purified. In that pure state he transcends the
stage of so-called material happiness and distress.

Purport By Srila Prabhupada

Kama and lobha are the symptoms of material existence. Everyone always
desires to possess something. It is said here that desire and greed are the
products of false identification of oneself with the body. When one becomes
free from this contamination, then his mind and consciousness also become
freed and attain their original state. Mind, consciousness and the living
entity exist. Whenever we speak of the living entity, this includes the mind
and consciousness. The difference between conditional life and liberated
life occurs when we purify the mind and the consciousness. When they are
purified, one becomes transcendental to material happiness and distress. In
the beginning Lord Kapila has said that perfect yoga enables one to
transcend the platform of material distress and happiness. How this can be
done is explained here: one has to purify his mind and consciousness. This
can be done by the bhakti-yoga system. As explained in the Narada-
pancaratrika, one’s mind and senses should be purified (tat-paratvena
nirmalam). One’s senses must be engaged in devotional service to the Lord.
That is the process. The mind must have some engagement. One cannot make the
mind vacant. Of course there are some foolish attempts to try to make the
mind vacant or void, but that is not possible. The only process that will
purify the mind is to engage it in Krishna. The mind must be engaged. If we
engage our mind in Krishna, naturally the consciousness becomes fully
purified, and there is no chance of the entrance of material desire and
greed.

[End of Purport]

Aham mamabhimanotthaih
Kama lobhadibhir malaih
Vitam yada manah suddham
Adukham asukham samam

When one is completely cleansed of the impurities of lust and greed produced
from the false identification of the body as “I” and bodily possessions as
“mine,” one’s mind becomes purified. In that pure state he transcends the
stage of so-called material happiness and distress.

So, Kapila Muni is instructing His mother. After His father left home His
mother was left by His father at His custody. He told Him to take care of
His mother and His mother, who was well aware of the fact that her son is
none other than the Supreme Personality of Godhead, asked Him some
questions.  And in response to those questions Kapila Muni is mentioning
these instructions.

Actually Devahuti’s question was very simple, very pertinent question that
how can I become free from this miserable entanglement of the body? How can
I become free from this dangerous situation that I am in and how can I
become free from this very disgusting onslaught of the senses?  And, while
answering the questions, Kapila Muni, in the previous verse made it a point
that it is the modes of the material nature that causes one to become
entangled in the material nature. Or when one becomes entangled in the
material nature, when one is situated in the material nature, he
automatically becomes subjected to the three modes of material nature.

And yesterday we discussed that actually it is the mode of passion and
ignorance that causes the bondage. And when one transcends the influence of
the mode of passion and ignorance and comes to the mode of goodness, he
somewhat realizes the condition of the material nature, but he cannot
properly understand the spiritual reality. The mode of goodness is not
enough. That’s also a material mode. Goodness, if still in the goodness, it
is not, it is recognizing the influence or undesirable influence of the
passion and ignorance, but in itself mode of goodness is not enough to free
one from the bondage of the material nature.

That is the difference between conditioned stage and liberated stage. The
stage in which the consciousness of the living entity is attracted by the
three modes of material nature is conditioned life. But when that same
consciousness is attached to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one is
situated in the consciousness of liberation. So bondage and liberation is
simply a matter of being separated from the Lord and being attached to the
Lord. When we are separated from the Lord we are in the material nature.
When we are connected to the Lord we are in the spiritual nature.  And in
today’s verse He is pointing out that ultimately it is a matter of
consciousness and mind.

Now what is the link between consciousness and mind ? Consciousness is the
inherent characteristic of a living entity. The soul is there and wherever
there is a spirit soul the consciousness must be there. This consciousness
is the symptom of life, meaning the consciousness is the symptom of the
existence of the soul. Wherever there is a soul there must be consciousness,
or we can say wherever there is consciousness there must be a soul. Is that
tree conscious? And if our conclusion is yes, that tree is also conscious,
then we have to conclude that there is a soul in the tree. Although to our
bare eyes it may appear that a tree doesn’t have a soul, tree is not a
living entity.

And that is the difference between the Vedic understanding and non Vedic
understanding.  There are many other religions that accept the existence of
the soul, but they do not accept that the trees and plants have a soul. What
to speak of trees and plants, Christianity doesn’t even accept that the
animals have souls. Like, often I find it very, very surprising that their
concept of soul is so is so, so incomplete. Or they don’t actually have any
understanding of the soul. Now Christianity doesn’t accept the animals have
soul, do you know what the Muslims say? They say women do not have soul!
[laughter]

So the point is that they don’t understand what the soul is. They don’t have
any understanding of the soul, that’s why they make such strange
conclusions. But the Vedic scriptures give us the perfect understanding of
the soul. What is a soul? Soul is the source of consciousness. Just as fire
has inherent characteristic of light. Wherever there is fire, there is
light. Or wherever there is light there is fire. We cannot separate light
from fire. We may not feel the fire, we may not feel the heat, but whenever
we see light we have to conclude, an intelligent conclusion will be that
there is fire. Like there is this light, a layman may not understand that
there is fire, but a knowledgeable person will know that there is fire.
That’s what is happening. Electricity is passing through the filament and
the filament is causing the resistance to the flow of electricity. And as a
result of that, the filament is becoming hot, through resistance. And that
heat is generating the light. That heat is fire and it is generating the
light.

Similarly when you look at the sun we may not see that sun is fire, but you
know, the general conclusion is that the sun is a ball of fire. There is a
huge source of fire, a fiery planet! And that’s why it is giving out light.
So just as wherever there is light, we have to understand that the source of
that light is fire, similarly wherever there is consciousness we have to
conclude that the source of that consciousness is the soul.

So soul and consciousness cannot be separated. That is the ‘cit’ aspect. A
soul is ‘sat cid ananda’. The soul is eternal, sat. Soul is imperishable,
soul will never die. Na jayate na mriyate va kadacin ajo nityah sasvato yam
puranah na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. So that is the nature, that
is the characteristic of the soul: eternal, ever existing, ever lasting. So
that is the ‘sat’ aspect of the soul.

Then the ‘cid’ aspect is the consciousness aspect of the soul. The soul is
conscious and soul is constantly hankering for ananda. In its natural state
a soul is anandamaya. Soul is anandamaya. Just as Krishna is anandamaya, the
soul is anandamaya, but that ananda aspect of the soul is relative to its
connection with Krishna. When the soul is connected to Krishna it is
anandamaya. When the soul is separated from Krishna then this ananda aspect
is missing. He becomes nirananda.

So these three characteristics that are spiritual and that are inherent in
Krishna are also present in a spirit soul in its constitutional position.
But he loses its constitutional position. He loses his constitutional
position when it separates from Krishna. And the example for that is just
like a spark of fire. A spark is fire, but when the spark becomes separated
from fire and falls on the heap of ash, that spark loses its fiery qualities
and becomes ash. Originally it is fire, but it’s a minute fire. So for the
minute fire to maintain its fiery quality by itself is not possible. When
the spark is separated from fire it just loses its fiery qualities. And
losing the fiery quality means ash. When the fire is gone then the spark is
nothing but a speck of ash. It falls on a heap of ash and it becomes ash.
But actually it has the ability to be ignited into a fire, but to become
ignited into a fire it needs to go back to the fire.

So similarly a living entity, a jiva, when he is connected to the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, he possesses the spiritual qualities that the Lord
has. Isvarah paramah Krishna sac cid ananda vigraha [Bs. 5.1]

So Krishna is sac cid ananda vigraha and when a jiva is connected to
Krishna, he is sac cid ananda vigraha. But when the living entity becomes
separated from Krishna then he falls into Krishna’s external energy, Maya.
Maya means illusion. He falls into that illusory condition and in that
illusory condition he loses his original identity. And falling in the world
of matter it becomes matter. It starts to identify itself with matter.
Therefore a living entity, the jiva, begins to consider that his body is the
self. He identifies himself with the body.

And then, again, there are two types of bodies: subtle body and the gross
body. Two types of material bodies. Material nature is made of eight
elements. Bhumir apo analo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva ca ahankara [Bg 7.4].
Mind, intelligence, false ego, earth, water, fire, air, ether. Five are
gross and three are subtle. With the five gross elements he gets a gross
body. This body, the gross body is made of five gross elements. Earth,
water, fire, air, ether, all these elements are there in the body. This body
is composed of these five elements. But beyond this gross body there is
another body, subtle body, made of mind, intelligence and false ego. False
ego: the first covering for a living entity. False ego, mistaken identity.
The moment a living entity comes to the material nature, or we can say, the
moment a living entity looks away from Krishna, because it is minute, its
consciousness is very minute. Minute means it is like a ray of
consciousness.

A living entity’s consciousness is like a ray of consciousness. That ray of
consciousness, ray can be projected only on one point. A living entity can
project his consciousness only in one direction. It can either project its
consciousness towards Krishna or it can project its consciousness away from
Krishna. When a living entity projects its consciousness away from Krishna,
then what is away from Krishna? Krishna’s external energy! There are only
two things: Krishna’s internal energy or Krishna’s external energy. When you
are looking towards Krishna we are looking towards Krishna’s internal
potency. When we’re looking away from Krishna we are looking at Krishna’s
external energy. And when we look towards external energy which is inferior,
but jiva bhutam mahabaho yayedam dharyate jagat [Bg. 7.5].

The jiva bhuta, the living entities, are coming from Krishna’s superior
energy. Living entities are coming from the superior energy of Krishna, but
apareyam itas tv anyam [Bg. 7.5]: this material nature is Krishna’s inferior
energy, apara, but prakritim viddhim me param [Bg. 7.5]. The internal energy
is the superior energy. External energy is inferior energy. Living entities
are coming from superior energy. And it’s looking now towards the inferior
energy.

What happens when a superior comes across an inferior? He develops a
tendency to lord over. It’s a natural tendency. As soon as a living entity
comes across this inferior material nature, because he is superior it
develops a tendency to lord over. Now that tendency to lord over is the
cause of his false ego. It’s a ‘matter’ actually. This tendency is an
influence of a certain matter called false ego, which causes the covering to
the living entity. It becomes covered by false ego. False ego, he becomes
covered with a mistaken identity. Instead of becoming the servant of Krishna
he identifies himself to be the lord and master of this material nature. And
that’s the first covering.

Then through intelligence he gets the covering of intelligence and as a
result of that he begins to think how is he going to exploit this material
nature. Manah sasthani indriyani prakriti sthani karsati [Bg. 15.7]. He
tries to exploit this material nature. This exploitation of the material
nature is the result of the intelligence or is caused by the intelligence.
And how does he try to exploit this material nature? Mana and five senses,
mind and five sense. Manah sasthani indriyani. So then comes the covering of
the mind through which his consciousness flows towards the material
direction. His consciousness now is flowing constantly towards the material
direction. And that is the mind. Mind is the medium. It’s a substance which
is the medium for consciousness to flow to the material direction. So this
is how a living entity becomes entangled.

Now the existence aspect of a living entity is relative to its
consciousness. When a living entity is conscious he is existing. When a
living entity is unconscious, he is not existing. He is not aware of his
existence. So when a living entity is conscious in this material nature his
consciousness is flowing constantly through the mind. Now as it has been
pointed out in the previous verse, condition and liberation is a matter of
just a flow of consciousness in two different directions. When the
consciousness is flowing towards the material direction it is a conditioned
stage. When the consciousness is flowing towards Krishna that is the Krishna
Conscious state, or liberated state.

So, now in the material nature the mind is flowing towards…, the
consciousness is flowing through the mind. Therefore there is so much
importance given to the mind. In this verse it is saying that two most
important considerations for the living entity’s existence is consciousness
and mind. In Bhagavad Gita Krishna is giving so much emphasis on this mind,
that man-mana bhava, man-mana bhava [Bg.18.65]. Time and time again Krishna
is pointing out, with your mind you think of Me. With your mind you think of
Me, what does it mean? Change your consciousness. Through your mind your
consciousness is flowing towards the material direction. Now you change the
direction. Don’t think of matter. Don’t let your consciousness be projected
to matter, rather let your consciousness come towards the spiritual
direction. Think of Me. So this is actually a process of changing one’s
consciousness.

Now Prabhupada is making a very important point here, is that the changing
of consciousness, of mind, changing the activity of the mind from material
to spiritual, is not possible by any other means other than devotional
service. Astanga yoga process and other processes actually try to do that.
All the other spiritual activities are actually meant to change the
consciousness, flow of consciousness.

But they get caught up with some misconception. They think that it actually
means to stop the mind from thinking. We can’t blame them, because the first
aphorism of yoga , astanga yoga by Patanjali, is ‘atha citta vritti
nirodha’, or, ‘yoga citta vritti nirodha’. The process of yoga is to stop
the ‘vritti’, the activities of ‘citta’ or mind. Stop the activities of the
mind. But what it actually means stop the material activities of the mind.
But less informed people think now we have to stop the activities of the
mind. That means stop the mind from thinking, but that will never happen!
[laughs] Mind will never be able to stop thinking! Only when you become
unconscious, then we can. Probably we will stop thinking when we are dead!

But still then we won’t, because the subtle body will be there and the
activity of the subtle body will continue. The consciousness will be
dwelling in the subtle body. Just like in a dream. We are asleep, but we are
dreaming. Consciousness is still active, but on the subtle plane. There is a
stage when it is complete cessation of consciousness. That is the state of
‘susukti’. That is the state of total inactivity of the soul, deep sleep,
which is considered to be ‘Tamisra’ and ‘Andha Tamisra’. There is a region.
When the soul goes into that region then the soul is completely inactive.

Inactive means the soul doesn’t have any consciousness, active
consciousness. But that is not the desirable state. Our goal of life is not
to die. But this system, or this misconception is leading them to think
that, to become dead. The Buddhist, the impersonalist, that is their goal:
sunya, void. Become completely unconscious. But unconsciousness, to become
unconscious is not the goal of life, cannot be the goal of life. We are
conscious. The goal is actually to become super conscious!

The goal of life is not to become unconscious, but to become super
conscious. The goal of life is to become Krishna Conscious! So that is what
one understands when one comes across a bona fide spiritual master like
Srila Prabhupada. It is through the teachings of Srila Prabhupada that we
became aware of these facts. Otherwise we were in ignorance also. We were in
tamisra and andha tamisra! [laughs] The deepest darkness of ignorance. But
Prabhupada gave us the right understanding. Citta vritti nirodha doesn’t
mean to stop the activities of the mind, but to stop the material activities
of the mind and develop the spiritual consciousness.

From an impure state of existence get into the purified state of existence
and that is being explained by Kapiladeva here in simple words. He is saying
when one is completely cleansed of the impurities of lust and greed,
produced from the false identification of the body and the mind. As we
considered before, the spark came out of fire and fell in the heap of ash
and began to identify itself with ash. That’s what happened to us. We became
separated from Krishna, falling into the material nature and began to
identify ourselves with matter: this body. It’s matter. It’s not our real
identity. And that’s our false identification. That is the root of our false
ego, identifying our gross and subtle bodies to be ourselves.

Now as a result of identifying with the body then what is happening? We are
developing lust and greed. We’re trying to enjoy by exploiting other bodies.
That is what lust is. A living entity identifying himself as the gross body,
as body made of matter, and he tries to enjoy by exploiting other material
bodies. That is the definition of lust. And to desire to possess more and
more in order to enjoy, that is greed. But these two are the basic
characteristic or basic influence of the mode of passion and ignorance. Tada
rajas tamo bhavah kama lobhadayas ca ye [SB. 1.2.19]. Kama lobhadayas ca ye.
So here also, kama lobhadibhir malaih. Kama, lust, and lobha, greed.
Adibhir. Adibhir means etcetera. Begins with lust, greed, and etcetera. What
are the other ones? Anger, illusion, envy, pride. Lust, greed, illusion,
envy, anger and pride, these are the six impurities of the soul.

So how to purify them? The way to purify them is, as Prabhupada explained
very clearly in the purport, Krishna Consciousness! Krishna Consciousness,
turn your consciousness towards Krishna. How to do that? By constantly
thinking of Krishna with the mind. Consciousness is flowing through mind,
but think of Krishna. That will make the consciousness to become purified.
That means consciousness will be now projected towards the spiritual
direction instead of the material direction. In the material nature we are
having all kinds of undesirable influences and those undesirable influences
will become purified by being projected properly on to Krishna. That is the
beginning of Krishna Consciousness.

This terminology that Srila Prabhupada applied for bhakti, devotional
service, is so appropriate! Krishna Consciousness, very simply it explains,
what is our purpose, what is our goal, what is our objective. Krishna
Consciousness; think of Krishna! Allow your consciousness to be projected
towards Krishna. Then the rest will happen. First is ‘man mana bhavah’, and
then the result of that, when mind is projected unto Krishna, then ‘tesam
satata yuktanam bhajatam priti purvakam dadami buddhi yogam tam'[Bg. 10.10].
I give him spiritualized intelligence, buddhi yogam. So this buddhi yoga is
the purification or proper application of intelligence. All this while we
were trying to exploit the material nature with our intelligence and now
that intelligence is projected towards Krishna and thinking how am I going
to serve Krishna? That is the buddhi yoga.

So intelligence is purified. It all begins with mind. Mind is projected
towards Krishna, then the intelligence is purified, because ‘satata yuktanam
bhajatam priti purvakam’. When he is constantly engaged in devotional
service, his intelligence is purified, because intelligence is thinking how
is he going to surrender himself to Krishna. And when the intelligence is
purified in this way and he becomes a devotee of Krishna then his…does he
have a false ego? Then can he possibly have a false ego? No! His false ego,
mistaken identity, has been rectified to his pure consciousness, or pure
identification of himself as ‘jivera svarupa haya Krishnera nitya dasa’ [CC
Madhya 20.108-109]. When he becomes a servant of Krishna he is situated in
his actual identity, in his spiritual identity. Jivera svarupa haya
Krishnera nitya dasa.

Now the question is, now at that state does he have a mind? Does he have an
intelligence? Question is, at that stage does he have a subtle body? Does he
have a subtle body? No! Now he is freed from the covering of his subtle
body. He is situated in his pure spiritual identity as a servant of Krishna.
So he may have a gross body, but he doesn’t have a subtle body. And that
stage that means he is in his pure spiritual identity. So at that stage he
is called ‘jivan mukta’, liberated stage. Although he is in his apparently
material body, but he is liberated. Iha yasya harer dasye karmana manasa
gira nikhilasv apy avasthasu jivan mukta sa ucyate[ Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu
(1.2.187)]. Jivan mukta stage, and this jivan mukta stage or this stage is
also known as ‘svarupa siddhi’, the perfection of his spiritual identity. He
is now in his svarupa siddhi. He is situated now in his spiritual identity,
perfected spiritual identity. Although he is in his material body, but he is
a liberated soul.

And that is the state of a pure devotee. Although he is in his material
body, but he is in the material body there is a pure spiritual personality.
When one is completely cleansed of the impurities of lust and greed,
produced from the false identification of the body as ‘I’ and bodily
possessions as ‘Mine’ one’s mind becomes purified. In that pure state he
transcends the stage of so called material happiness and distress. Kapila
Muni is pointing out that at that state he is not affected by his material
condition, his physical condition of happiness and distress, because he is
beyond that. His is not being affected by a physical condition anymore,
because his consciousness now is situated in another dimension, in another
plane. So what is happening here through the body, he is not affected by
that. So that is the sign of the liberated soul.

So Srila Prabhupada very emphatically pointed out that one can achieve that
state only through pure devotional service. Not by any other means. Not by
austerities, not by penances, not by astanga yoga, not by any other so
called spiritual activities. The actual spiritual process, the actual
effective spiritual process is Krishna Consciousness.

And we are very fortunate that we somehow found it. We somehow got it by
Prabhupada’s mercy and by the mercy of Prabhupada’s devotees who have been
so effectively distributing his books. And if we apply the process then
we’ll see how it works. One applies the process and he becomes purified.
What is the sign of purification as we were discussing yesterday? The sign
of this purification is how one leaves his body, his or her body.

We were discussing about one devotee who just left. Just a simple lady, a
house wife, left her body and we could see that she left in such pure
consciousness, like as if she didn’t have any entanglement, any attachment
to the material nature. The time came to leave the body, it’s a relief to
get out of this material body and go back to the spiritual sky.

Those who properly practice the process, even though in their lifetime, they
may not have achieved their perfection, but at the time of death Krishna
will help them to become hundred percent purified and go back to Godhead.
Because that awareness is there, although physically we may not be able to
properly come to that situation or perfection, but at the time of death, by
nature’s arrangement and by the arrangement of Krishna, we will see that now
the time has come to become free from all the entanglement, all the
attachments, and that is the consideration.

The purity as we are saying is to become free from the entanglement of
material nature, not to be affected by the happiness and distress of this
material nature. And that will happen only when we are properly situated in
our spiritual identity. And we see, time and time again, we are seeing how
this process works. How effective is this process.

Thank you very much. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Gaura Premanande Hari
Hari bol!

Does anybody have any question? Yes?

Devotee: Gurumaharaja, why senses is not identified in the human as the
subtle body?

BCS: because it is gross!

Devotee: senses are gross?

BCS: Yeah, see, say for example the eyes. How is it functioning? Eyes are
senses. They’re one aspect of our senses. Now the eyes are seeing. Eyes
interact with light or fire. Eyes interact with fire and as a result of
that, it is pursuing the objects of the eyes, the form. Through eyes we see
forms. Now those impressions, or you can even say those informations are
carried from eyes through the nervous system to the brain segment. Now the
eyes are made of matter, the nerves are made of matter, the brain centre is
made of matter. So all these arrangements, or you can say the system is
actually matter. Therefore these senses are matter. Same thing with our
ears. The ears are made of matter. The nerves that are carrying the
information are made of matter, carrying it to the brain centre, that’s also
made of matter. But then, who is staying in the brain centre? The mind. And
mind is registering that.

Devotee: [inaudible]

BCS: The mind is subtle.

Devotee:  the mind is interacting.

BCS: okay mind is subtle. Therefore mind is the subtle aspect of the senses.
It is the sixth sense, the mind, but other five senses are material. Mind is
subtle. Yes. Hare Krishna!

Devotee: Thank you very much, Maharaja!

BCS: Hare Krishna!

Devotee: Srila Prabhupada[unclear] was mentioning how the soul is sac cid
ananda and the ananda aspect is depending on the direction you go on. Can
you say something more on the sat and cid, is that also dependant on this
you especially mentioned ananda

BCS: yeah, yeah right. The thing is, you see, like even though we are not
connected with Krishna, the cid aspect is there. Like we are conscious. The
conscious aspect is there and the other two are dependent, relative to that
aspect of consciousness, because our existence is relative to our
consciousness.

Like, I am, because I am conscious. When I am not conscious, am I existing?
Right? But in the material nature, because we are identifying ourselves with
the body, that aspect of our consciousness is not eternal. Because our body
is transient, perishable, therefore that is temporary. Our consciousness
becomes I mean our existence becomes temporary. But the ananda aspect is a
living entity because it has that ananda aspect in it, it tries to get the
ananda. It tries to get ananda and the medium for getting ananda is actually
prema, love.

So when one is in a conditioned stage, he tries to get the ananda through
loving exchange with other entities. But because it is on the false
platform, it’s never effective or is never fulfilled. So this ananda will be
achieved only when a jiva establishes connection with Krishna. And the way
to establish a connection with Krishna is through prema. Love is the force
that causes two entities to become united. Love is actually a force that
causes the unification. But the thing is, this is actually this love is
actually meant to be connected to Krishna. This energy is actually meant to
be connected to Krishna, but when one is oblivious of Krishna he tries to
connect himself with others through this love, but, you know, the end result
is not there. Therefore it is said that only when one is connected to
Krishna he experiences the ananda aspect. Otherwise this ananda is
restricted in the material nature in the form of happiness, or sukha. Sukha
is not ananda. Sukha is cessation of suffering condition, whereas ananda is
opposite to suffering condition. If darkness is suffering, then light is
ananda. Now some sort of artificial means to remove darkness is sukha. Thank
you. Hare Krishna!

Any other question? Okay, Priyavrata, do you have a question?

Devotee: yes, if you generalize this, this sac cid person, you were saying
that ananda, what we get here is in a minute…

BCS: It’s a reflection.

Devotee:  And there is an ananda Krishna, He is on the full, complete.

BCS: Right!

Devotee: and permanently. He is in ananda all the time.

BCS: right!

Devotee: we just get temporarily and we are not satisfied and then comes the
misery and then we get..

BCS: right! Exactly.

Devotee: We want the fullness.

BCS: Good question. Because in anandamaya, being connected to anandamaya we
become also anandamaya.

Devotee: So practical, very scientific, Maharaja.

BCS: [laughs] Yes, Krishna Consciousness is a science.

Yes, Dhananjaya?

Devotee: When you quote Bhagavad Gita sasthani indriyani, exploiting mind
and senses, but not intelligence and false ego. Why only…

BCS: That is indriyana para…  What is that verse? Indriya parah? Indriyani
paranyahur indrayebhyo param manah, manah sastu parah buddhi. So this is
like the gross material objects. From gross material objects, indriyah, the
senses are superior. From the senses mind is superior and even superior to
the mind is the intelligence. So you see, prakriti sthani karsati,
exploiting. Who is karsati? The mind and with the mind and… with the mind
and the senses he is exploiting. But intelligence is above that which is
considering how the mind and the senses will will exploit successfully.

So that arrangement is made by the intelligence. That’s why it is superior.
Or because it is superior it is actually making the arrangement. The mind
itself or the senses itself cannot actually exploit without the
intelligence.

Yes? Radha Piyari?

Devotee: Guru Maharaja, you say that when the mind is thinking about Krishna
we can purify the mind but how can we also purify the gross body and how
important is it in devotional to always purify?

BCS: Very good point. When the subtle body is purified, we are actually not
only talking of the purification of the mind. The end result of the
purification of the mind will also include the purification of intelligence
and transformation of false ego, right? So that means the subtle body is
purified. So when the subtle body is purified then the gross body is also
automatically purified. How? As Prabhupada gave the example, that when an
iron rod is placed on fire, it becomes fire, right? It becomes red hot, it
becomes fire! So similarly when the pure spirit soul is existing, you know,
like purification of the subtle body means what? Spiritualization of the
self. Now he is a pure spirit soul dwelling in the apparently material body.
Now, is that material or spiritual?

Devotee: Spiritual

BCS: So the body is spiritualized. Therefore a pure… it is said that the body of a pure devotee is spiritual. It is not material. Okay, so thank you

Do you have a question? Yeah, say it. Why are you hesitating?

Devotee: You were saying the body is made of fire, are the bodies of animals
made of the same process?

BCS: Yes, what do you think? Do you, when you touch an animal body do you
feel the heat? Yeah? So where did the heat come from?

Devotee: From the sun.

BCS: No, in the animal body, when you touch the animal, right? Do you feel
the heat in the body? Just like you touch a living body. Is it hot?

Devotee: Yes

BCS: Did you ever touch a dead body?

Devotee: No.

BCS: Okay, you know at least, it is clearly cold. But why a living body is
hot? Because there is fire in the body, right? Does a body breathe? So what
is that breathing process consisting of?

Devotee: Air

BCS: Yeah, air, not fire. Breathing is not through, does an animal breathe?
Does an animal breath?

Devotee: Yes

BCS: So, there is air also in the body, because through breathing the air is
circulating in the body. So you can see there is solid substance, there is
liquid substance in the body, there is fire, there is ether and there is air
and there is also ether. So yes, all living bodies, even a trees’ body is
made of five elements. Trees also breathe. Yes.

Devotee: They don’t have senses?

BCS: They have their senses but not as active as your senses. The trees…
Actually Jagadisa Bose, he developed a machine through which he could
demonstrate that trees also feel happiness and pain.

Okay. Any other question?

Thank you all very much!

Gaura Premananda! Hari Haribol!

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Transcription : Her Grace Ranga Radhika Dasi
Editing : Ramananda Raya Dasa

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